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Black Pastors Launch Anti-Obama Campaign Over Marriage Views

by Jason St. Amand
National News Editor
Monday Oct 15, 2012

A group of African-American faith leaders have announced they have launched a $1 million campaign against President Barack Obama because they do not agree with his support for marriage equality, the Daily Caller reports.

The newly created group, called God Said, wants to take away 25 percent of the black vote that went to Obama in the 2008 presidential election. In 2008 Obama received 98 percent of the black vote.

Officials from the nonprofit say they will set their sights on voters in Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, Wisconsin and Florida by launching television and radio ads as well as a grassroots campaign to urge individuals to vote with the Bible in mind.

"The black community is among the most religious in America and we are offended that President Obama has announced his support of same-sex marriage, that the NAACP has blindly supported the secular views of the Democratic Party, and that their national platform plainly supports same-sex marriage," Apostle Claver Kamau-Imani of, and a founder of God Said, said in a statement. "I am confident that this message will be well received and acted upon on Election Day."

God Said's members claim their main goal is to give a voice to black voters who believe in traditional marriage and do not feel like the Democratic Party is representing them.

Dr. Day Gardner, who also help find the group and is president of the National Black Pro-Life Union, said, "If you're a believer in Jesus Christ then you have to say all that matters no matter what you think or feel about anything, the most important thing is what God says and God said that marriage is between one man and one woman."

Gardner says that marriage equality is one of the biggest issues in this year's presidential race.

"This is a defining time for us," she said. "To say either we stand on the principles of God or we don't. That's the bottom line. If you're a believer then you believe everything. You can't just choose to believe what you want to believe."

The group has 22 advisory board members and will used about $1 million for the campaign, according to a spokesman. The spokesman also told the Daily Caller that God Said has support from prominent black faith leaders from the Coalition of African-American Pastors, which has strongly opposed Obama's endorsement of same-sex marriage.

’The black community is among the most religious in America, and we are offended that President Obama has announced his support of same-sex marriage.’

"During the 2008 elections, 70 percent of African Americans voted to ban same-sex marriage in California while they also voted for Barack Obama for president," Dr. Alveda King, niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and black outreach director of the pro-life Priests for Life, said. "We fully intend to shift 25 percent of the black vote from the 2008 election by charging every voter to examine each candidate and vote for the one that supports their core belief in natural marriage."

But CAAP's president, Rev. William Owens, said that the organization has nothing to do with God Said.

"CAAP is a group of pastors and faith leaders dismayed at the President's support for same-sex marriage. It is an offense to the African-American community especially when he equates gay rights to civil rights. Our organization is not affiliated with the God Said campaign," he told the publication in a written statement. "Our effort has been to educate and encourage black voters to abide by their conscience and their faith. We have never advocated for or against any candidate, nor for black Christians to stay home on election day. African Americans have sacrificed and fought too hard for the right to vote ."

The members of God Said aren't the only African-Americans rallying against Obama for his views on same-sex marriage. The New American reported that Bishop E.W. Jackson, pastor of Exodus Faith Ministries in Chesapeake, Va., has criticized the Democratic Party for supporting abortion and gay marriage. In a four-minute video the bishop says that black Americans need to end their "slavish devotion to the Democratic Party."

"They have insulted us, used us, and manipulated us," Jackson admonishes black voters of the tactics used by Democratic operatives over the past several decades. "They have saturated the black community with ridiculous lies" and think that they can "hold us captive while they violate everything we believe as Christians."

He goes on to say that the "Democrat Party has equated homosexuality with being black," which he claims is an "another outrageous lie." Jackson adds that he believes gay men and lesbians can hide their orientation but "you and I cannot hide being black."

Additionally, Jackson notes that Democrats "say opposition to same-sex marriage is the same as opposition to interracial marriage. That is an insult to human intelligence. It is a lie. No Christian should support this. Yet the Democrat Party has declared same-sex marriage an official part of its platform. And black Christians remain in that party?"

The bishop also spoke at the National Press Club in late September, Town Hall reports, and he insisted that black Americans leave the Democratic Party because of its "irreconcilable conflict" between its views and their faith in God.

Watch Jackson's video below:


  • , 2012-10-15 03:56:34

    Sad that these "pastor" dont know their bible. nowhere in the Bible is marriage defined. Also.sad dont know history since exactly same type of religious argument was

  • gdhamf, 2012-10-15 04:57:03

    if you can not pick and choose what to believe in the Bible then bring back woman as property and slavery, and killing your children for not listening to their parents, should I go on listing these obscenities that are in the Bible or do these idiots get the point?

  • Oh Jed said:, 2012-10-15 10:19:54

    My fathers always said it’s better to be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. Are they gonna mobilize again and riot if Romney gets elected and takes away their welfare checks?

  • , 2012-10-15 11:36:57

    What a joke. "Bishop", "apostle". Made up titles to make these arrogant blowhards look legit. Why don’t they spend the million bucks to fight the problem of Irresponsibility in their own community. Millions of fathers who don’t take responsibility for their children and these people point their fingers at the gay community who actually want to take responsibility for their relationships? The figures speak for themselves.

  • , 2012-10-15 13:26:59

    I would be really surprised if they could muster $1 million between them. But you know some right wing pac would fund them. They are just playing into the hands of "the Man".

  • Bob K, 2012-10-15 14:43:50

    N O M has these guys standing at the back door of the plantation house with their dinner plates

  • , 2012-10-15 14:44:50

    I volunteered for the equality campaign in West Hollywood against proposition 8. I had never seen so many hostile pretentious rude lesbians in all my life. They refused to sign any petitions or do anything ie vote canvas tell their friends . It was very embarrassing. The lesbian "community " in Los Angeles is very toxic. I called straight people on the phone and they were so nice was so easy to convince them to vote in favor of marriage equality. I think the 70% of blacks who voted against marriage equality were simply misinformed.

  • , 2012-10-15 15:10:05

    Civil rights are NOT exclusivity reserved for the African American community. I agree, their civil rights journey is unique but they are not the only ones that need to fight for their civil rights. As for hiding identities, many light-skinned African Americans had to hide their identities, a practice called "passing" . No Person should have to Pass as white or Pass as heterosexual.

  • , 2012-10-15 16:39:38

    Too stupid. Do these morons think Romney supports them on any other issue?

  • , 2012-10-15 19:51:52

    They could have donated that $1 million to inner city kids, African American education programs. We got black women out here with HIV rates sky rocketing. You mean to tell me they couldn’t find anywhere else to use that money? Black people are never going to get ahead with this mentality. SMH.

  • , 2012-10-15 20:18:52

    just like the pharisees of the bible.ready to throw rocks and crucify the bringer of the truth.

  • Queen Kamara , 2012-10-15 22:47:52

    White slave owners did a great job indoctrinating their slaves with their so-called Christian religion. If the slave owners were so ’Christian’ they would not have owned other humans. Politics and public offices should be absolutely and completely separated from religion. Religion is a totally subjective part of an individual’s life. It is a personal choice. Bishop Jackson, in the above video, needs to sit his ass down, open his mind and heart to the Still Voice within. Nobody with any intelligence wants to hear all that slave-backed philosophy he sprewing ............ If Jesus was alive today, he would tell him and those other Black pastors to STFU!!!

  • YesISaidIt!, 2012-10-16 16:10:50

    These fools need to stop. If I were not a strong, black, LGBT man, I would be ashamed to be black. Thank God I know better ; too bad they don’t.

  • , 2012-10-16 16:25:31

    Just amazes me that this comes from a group that knows what it’s like to fight for equal rights. Wonder how many liberal gays helped them out in their struggle? I love the name of the group "God Said"! Yes, God said, "Pastors, you are wrong".

  • Kenneth Barr, 2012-10-16 18:07:09

    So these homophobic fools would vut off their economic noses to spite their faces. They are so out of touch with their parishoners, especially the youth and young adults it isn’t funny. There was a time for these homophobic idiots, that of William of Orange.

  • Aleccc, 2012-10-17 08:52:48

    Okay that is fine that they want to campain. Freedom of speech but what happened to the seperation between church and state? Im in 11 grade and even I know how idiotic this is. Don’t vote with the bible in mind. Thats one of the reasons why Americas views are so backwards and the government and God should not go hand and hand.

  • , 2012-10-17 16:05:28

    We need to find who these people are because they are feeding mis information to the black community. If they are strong belivers of their conviction they need to come out of the shadow and let their faces be know so that we can have a earnest discussion about who they reprsent because they don’t represent the values of the people I know. The pastors that don’t share these ideas need to form their organization to combat these mis-guided views. This feel like the civil rights movement when people suffered for the rights of peole and indivuals like these buffoons enjoy the fruits of their efforts.They are not leaders!!!!!!!! What happen to give Caesar what is Caesar and give god what is one said this has anything to do with the church this is about rights and not rites. The church don’t have to marry anyone. I hope they lose every member of their church and their tax deduction.

  • , 2012-10-17 16:12:22

    If you want to do somthing get the guns off the steets.... stop black on lblack crime...there is a church on every corner and i don’t see any thing you do but take in the money. Stop pimping the black community.

  • , 2012-10-18 06:52:31

    Where did the money come from?...

  • Oh Jed said:, 2012-10-18 10:17:05

    Do these men even know the statistics of the endangered American black male head of household? They have got much more pressing issues and better uses for a million bucks than squawking about who should be able to get married. Geesh!

  • Darlene Williams, 2012-10-18 10:18:18

    If this is what you truly mean in this statement "Our effort has been to educate and encourage black voters to abide by their conscience and their faith. We have never advocated for or against any candidate, nor for black Christians to stay home on election day. African Americans have sacrificed and fought too hard for the right to vote." then why are you soliciting 25% of the black vote to not vote for President Obama? Who else will these people love since we can’t love them? At least they have love in their hearts, where is yours?

  • , 2012-10-18 20:00:47

    They really need to sit their stupid assess down. Pastors if you don’t vote fine, but don’t try to make other’s follow you stupid ass holes.

  • , 2012-10-18 20:14:39

    Please pastors if this is a reason for you and only you not to vote,then don’t vote, but don’t try to make peope follow your stupid thinking. Everyone is god’s children you y

  • , 2012-10-19 06:42:36

    The lady that said " If Jesus were alive today" Well as a Christian I’m here to tell you Jesus Lives today and he is cheering on these Godly Pastors that are finnally standing up for Biblical Truth. May God give them the conviction to do what God calls right not what men want. If men were left to themselfs they would destroy themselves, Thats why we need God and his Holy teachings which will bring blessings to our nation as they once did before evil men turned from the Truth to follow there own way For there is a way that seems right to a men but those ways lead to death. Our nation is rotting at the core and will soon come under condemnation by the Lord almighty for the evil, Homosexuality and abortions,The turning our back on Isreal This stench reaches to the Throne of God and our nation is due for his judgment. Repent people, Repent or see God’s anger

  • Oh Jed said:, 2012-10-19 10:18:09

    Lol. yeah, alive and well and on his knees at the Hollywood Spa giving thanks and praise for God’s #1 creation. Amen.

  • Kenneth Barr, 2012-10-19 10:40:52

    Anonymous @10/19/12 06:42:36--What part of the Great Commandment do you not get? What part of what Jesus taught us that God is merciful and God’s love is universal and unconditional do you not get? Your God is vengeful, full of hate and loathing. That’s not God. You deny God’s essential truth that God loves God’s entire creation. That means you are in denial of God’s Holy Word. Since you deny God’s Holy Word you are in voluntary separation from God, which places you in Hell. You do it to yourself. It is your own ignorance that places you there. All you need to do is rediscover God’s mercy and love and apply it to your own life. At any rate, stop slinging your tripe. It only exposes you, not us.

  • Oh Jed said:, 2012-10-19 10:46:55

    Very nicely put Red. There is none so blind as those who only see what they want. I gave up trying to reason with the unreasonable... That’s why I’m just a smart ass now.

  • , 2012-10-19 21:05:57

    You had better read the Holy scriptures because they are God’s own words, and as the profits of old came to Israel andwarned them of there ungodliness so these Black pastors are warning America of It’s way wardness . Repent of your wickedness, Never in the scripture does it say God will not punish rebellion against what he said was truth. You people profess a form of godliness but deny the power there of. You have made up your own God that allows your wickedness but The true God and his holy law will prevail. So sad that we live in a time were people say Good is bad and bad is good, You wayward rebellious people had better turn because the Lords return is soon and those who turn against him will have their place in the lake of fire with satan and his demons, Repent and turn back to the true God, The God of Israel, The God of the holy Bible!

  • , 2012-10-19 21:12:03

    Romans 1:27-8, 1 Cor. 6:9, and 1 Tim. 1:10 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God?

  • gdhamf, 2012-10-20 00:04:53

    Hey anon You bible thumping scripture quoting twit, why don’t you sign up and tell us your name? as scripture says "those who deny me berofe man shall I deny before my father" remaining anonymous is the same thing, if you believe what you say then tell us who says it. In case my screen name does not appear I am known as gdhamf on the boards and am fairly well known as a commentor.

  • arborjerm, 2012-10-20 20:59:47

    For every verse you can quote saying how vengeful god is there are just as many of Jesus saying to love.. If you really believe that Jesus was God on earth and His words were written down why do you care about the rest? Do you really think that in 33 years God didn’t have enough time to let us know what He thought was important? When did Jesus ever say anything against anyone? Oh wait, it was the "spiritual" people of the day, the wealthy and selfish.. Maybe you need to read the words in Red a little more carefully!

  • , 2012-10-20 22:48:05

    The Bible says all scripture is of God you are only choosing what you think is What God is all about and by the way Jesus is God in the flesh. God’s Holy word is the whole bible and you just cant pick and choose what verses you think God is all about. The Holy scripture says God is a Holy God and that sin cannot be part of his future kingdom. Jesus came to save us from all sin, As he told the prostitute " go and sin no more. The Holy scripture makes it clear what is and isnt sin, what is and isnt right in God’s sight. The Bible mentions Hell many more times then it does heaven Our God is a loving God but he cannot and will not tolerate sin and he gives everyone a chance to repent and come to him and he maskes us new creatures in him, he will change us and make us Holy as he is. God is love but he detest sin and rebellion, why do you think satan was cast out of heaven with one third of the angels which are demons now!. The reason I care about the rest is because His word says that all scripture is God inspired and is used for teaching and reproof. The trouble with a lot of people today they say they believe in God but not His word, Then they are calling Him (God) a liar and His truth is not in them. If you disreguard Gods Whole word then you my friend are not a real Christian but a child of the Devil for he is the father of lies and has deceived your heart. I pray God will wake you people up before his judgement arrives.

  • , 2012-10-20 23:03:54

    You Pators keep doing what your doing, You are all pleasing God by your action of standing up for rightousness. Do not listen to the wicked evil people who condem you for your reward is awaiting you in heaven as Jesus said Love not the world or the things of the world but Love the Lord your God with all yourheart mind soul and strenghth Amen!

  • Kenneth Barr, 2012-10-20 23:38:20

    I notice that most of the support comes from "Anonymous." They also can’t seem to spell. I also have noticed that there is a strong backlash from congregants, who find this to be insulting to their intelligence. This will have a boomerang effect of lessening the pastors control of their congregations. Look for a new breed in the pulpit very soon, one that understands that God’s love is universal and unconditional.

  • , 2012-10-21 10:06:04

    what a snob just because a word is mis typed does not change the truth. The truth God’s Truth is set in stone. God’s love is conditional because the holy scripture tells us he will punish sin! Where are you getting that He accepts the kind of behaviour that is in this world, the behavior that these decent pastors are proclaiming. It comes from you! you have designed your own God based on your own self belief. You have no authority God is the judge and he has already told us the truth. and what difference does it make if this is annon or not, the truth still remains the same.!!!

  • , 2012-10-21 10:12:13

    What support I am the only one on here defending these decent pastors and of course I remain annon because why would I put myself in a position to have evil people attack me, I’m not stupit! Besides what I say comes from God’s Holy Scriptures the Bible so This comes from God almighty himself!

  • , 2012-10-21 10:17:10

    These Pators are not wrong, and God never gave men the freedom to live in sexual filth. Every empire that went that way has fallen and so shall America if we do not ask for God’s forgiveness!

  • gdhamf, 2012-10-21 22:24:26

    If you are so sure of your moral authority then GOD would no doubt protect you froam any evil you are subjected to by giving your name, I guess your faith is just not that strong after all is it?

  • gdhamf, 2012-10-21 22:25:48

    and one more thing, why do these people expect the rest of the world to follow their beliefs? I do not expect them to follow mine!

  • , 2012-10-22 00:03:03

    If you listen to the Pastor he states this is for real Christians not for the rest of you heathen ! Pastors are ordained by God to lead Christians, Real Christians that is Oh by the way gdhamF my name is Oliver Holms!

  • gdhamf, 2012-10-22 03:23:30

    Okay Oliver so now the big question, if we are all "heathens" and hellbound etc... why are you wasting your time and effort? and just so we all know, full disclosure I am an ordained minister. and yes I can perform weddings etc... not that my religion has anything to do with this but I like to be honest here.

  • Oh Jed said:, 2012-10-23 06:03:40

    Sexual filth??? I guess we now know where your psychosis and your stimulation are rooted.

  • Queen Kamara , 2012-10-23 15:21:31

    It is difficult to have an intelligent and open discussion about anything when participants throw their personal belief systems around as tools of judgment and absolute truth. To say that same-sex partners/marriages are examples of sexual filth is narrow-minded, bigoted, and does not reflect an air of openness in order to obtain a measure of unity. Nor does it give any weight one way or the other to the topic of this post. Therefore, I can easily see why no one would want to continue in this mud fight.

  • , 2012-10-23 17:19:09

    The God of the Bible never intended for real Christians to be Open Minded. Thats something that a non religious person thought up. These pastors are real Christians talking to suposedly real Christians so why you folks get your nose bent out of shape because they erge Christians to vote God;s morality is beyound me. They are talking to those that profess God in their lives. Your seculerism is sickening and It’s that kind of not taking a firm stand against evil that is destroying this nation. You had better take a look back to Our Founding fathers they were Godly men! What happened??? Oh yeah we threw God out of America and made up our own God, one who agrees witn what we personally belief. Thats called Idoltary.God help us!

  • Queen Kamara , 2012-10-23 23:51:42

    It is amazing how Bible thumpers are so willing to express ignorance and arrogance at the same time. Since we are in an Age of Technology, it is so very, very easy to obtain information whether a person attends college or not. Information and knowledge is available to all. Why not take advantage of the free knowledge out here to be a more informed and astute discussion participant. For example, this link talks about "Our Founding Fathers WERE NOT CHRISTIANS." There are many other links available that discuss this topic. Your "God of the Bible" was a blood-thirsty, woman-hater, vengeful, and full of human negative emotions, like jealousy, judgmental, sadistic, and a short-wired god. Do you actually think that a God that could create such a vast universe that has no end and infinite possibilities could actually not create a group of earthlings that would actually rebuke him and do what the hell they wanted? And, all he can do is threaten with hell and death to these individuals? Humans in their physical condition die anyway! You don’t even credit Jesus Christ for attempting to show that his New Law/Testament replaced the old law with love, peace, and light for ALL. Did not Jesus say, that whoever is without sin, cast the first stone? And, did not Jesus say that love surpasses all sin? So, who are YOU actually following, a vengeful, Old Testament Jewish god or the Christ that died for your sins and wiped your slate clean?

  • Oh Jed said:, 2012-10-24 00:04:11

    Love, Love, Love that response. Thank you Queen Kamara.

  • Kevin R, 2012-10-25 15:36:14

    in the King James Version of the bible it specifically says homosexuality is a sin. Here are the following scriptures: Romans Chapter 1 Verse 26-29 Leviticus chapter 20 verse 13 Leviticus Chapter 18 Verse 22.

  • Pastor Annette Grace, 2012-10-25 15:37:07

    Although I do not agree with Gay marriage, I agree that any one who does agree with it has the right to express their belief. And I have the right to disagree whether in writing, in speech or by way of a vote. President Obama has been open and honest about what he believes. He also calls himself a Christian. Perhaps he may not understand the many principles of Christianity, therefore it is our responsibility to pray for him. But at least he exhibits two Christlike qualities: his love for God and freedom for the American people and our right to express our views and to speak out against others that we don’t agree with. Sin and sinners will always be in this world until Christ returns. "Jesus said that all that the Father has given me are mine and I have not lost one." Sin and sinners will be with us until Jesus comes back and only he will know who will enter into the kingdom of God. The bible clearly lets us know that sin will not enter into the kingdom of heaven and I realize that "lying" is also a sin. God is not a respecter of people. Sin is Sin. At least with president Obama, I know what his views are in terms of the American people having the right and the freedom to express themselves. I don’t have a problem with that. What I do and will have a problem with is my ability to vote being limited through voter suppression and trickery such as in the case with the Republicans in Ohio and in Florida. Through out this campaign, Mitt Romney has been noted for repeatedly lying and misleading the people. The bible says that "anything done in the dark shall come to light." The light has shined on numerous occasions including the 47% remark. So far, I don’t know what Mitt Romney believes. He could be Gay for all I know. He is a Mormon, and I don’t believe that Mormon’s are true followers of Christ and they have a negative opinion regarding Black people. Mitt Romney has been in the closet about many things, especially repeatedly lying to millions of Americans. Lying is definitely a sin. I vote for Barrack Obama, at least God can reach his heart. "I can do all thing through Christ which strengthens me. God Bless America!!!

  • Kevin R, 2012-10-25 15:37:34

    in the King James Version of the bible it specifically says homosexuality is a sin. Here are the following scriptures: Romans Chapter 1 Verse 26-29 Leviticus chapter 20 verse 13 Leviticus Chapter 18 Verse 22.

  • Kevin R, 2012-10-25 15:39:02

    However I still Think President Obama is the better candidate. I agree wholeheartedly that church and politics do not mix.

  • Queen Kamara , 2012-10-25 19:28:18

    The Bible was written by men a long time ago, even before the discovery of germs, electricity, etc. This is reflected in the fact that the various writers of the Bible created conflicting tales, rules, laws, historical accounts. God, the Source of all creation is not limited to the Bible; nor is he/she/it limited by any other "sacred" book. It is unfortunate and incredible that anyone today would take things in the Bible as literal and/or as absolute truth. According to the Bible, slavery is/was cool; raping and pillaging of neighboring villages were cool; women were 3rd and 4th class citizens. So, why not take the Bible along with common sense, as you listen to the Still Small Voice within, that is God, into consideration when dealing with deep subjects and concerns. The only thing you have to lose is YOUR bigotry and the heavy burden of judgmental weight.

  • Queen Kamara , 2012-10-25 19:46:20

    Religion is like a penis. It’s fine to have one. It’s fine to be proud of it. But, please don’t whip it out in public and start waving it around.

  • , 2012-10-25 22:52:47

    Your discusting didnt your parents teach you anything? Filthy dirty people you are!

  • , 2012-10-25 23:06:31

    The Bible does not contridic its self nor is there anything that says one thing in one part and tells you another thing in another. Only different acounts ., Evidently you are not a Bible scholar nor did you attend a Bible college so your opinion, which is exactly what it is is worthless. The only Bigot is you people who condem the faith of Christianity, You are all enemys of God and Children of Satan, Children of the darkness, children of disobedience. You neither know The Lord God Of Israel Nor do you obey him. You are fools and are decieved because of your sinful life styles. Even if you don’t believe the Truth, the word of the living God, it doesnt make a difference because if you do not repent and believe you will join satan in hell. You people are wayward and evil you think your wise but your fools. I feel sorry for your type.

  • , 2012-10-25 23:13:21

    I would never vote for a man that oks abortion and pushes Gay marraige down our throats. Both are wrong and immoral. Mitt Romneys my choice!

  • , 2012-10-25 23:18:57

    Obama is a deceiver and a lier, He will destroy America, And america deserves what it gets because they have turned their back on the living God!

  • , 2012-10-25 23:35:19

    It is sickening to see all these comments that blast the Holy scriptures and the true living God. Jesus came to save us all from our sins not to give a liscence to continue in them. His precious blood flowed from the cross of calvary to save us from our selfs. Most of the people on here have chossen to ignore the True God and make up a false God that goes with their own personal agenda, how sad, Well the Bible does say thay the road to heaven is narrow and very few find their way there, Thats because they do not come to realize that Christ was God in the flesh, He is the God of the old and new testiment, He is the same yesterday today and forever! He will in the end times punish sin, all those who reject Him, His son and His ways. Foolish people wake up!

  • Oh Jed said:, 2012-10-26 01:18:11

    The way you people are carrying on you’d think this was one of YOUR silly cult sites instead of a news site for LGBT people to comment on the news.

  • , 2012-10-26 02:19:33

    As I read the back & forth comments all I see is the scriptures that are being overlooked. The main ones that we must be reminded of are Matthew 7:1-2 Judge not that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. At the end of all this we must remember Romans 14:10-11, But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost though set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written,As I live, saith the Lord, EVERY knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to GOD. I pray that we all turn to God and stop the bashing and abusing of one another. For in the end we must answer to God not man!

  • , 2012-10-26 02:26:56

    John 3: 16 -21 16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God." So many are in the darkness of their sins and they hate the light,God the Father and Jesus God in the flesh and the Holy spirit that shows us His truth.

  • , 2012-10-26 02:31:32

    What the Bible Says About Homosexuality Please read the following very carefully: "homosexual behavior and religious freedom. These two are incompatible. The goal of the radical homosexual activists is to make sure that no church can say that homosexual behavior is sinful"[1] (emphasis added) "The reality is that radical homosexual activists and their allies are looking for an opportunity to attack and silence any church that takes a biblical stand with regard to homosexual behavior, regardless of denomination."[2] (emphasis added) These are shocking words coming from the president of the Alliance Defense Fund, an organization fighting in partnership with the Family Research Council, on the front lines everyday for our religious freedoms. We must take them very seriously. The Church: Pillar and Foundation of the Truth For millions of Christians, the Bible is our authoritative guidebook for life. We take its words as God’s truth. We choose to take a biblical stand. So did Jesus. He affirmed the absolute authority of Scripture when He said, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. " (Matthew 5:17-18, NIV) Jesus declared in prayer to the Father that "your word is truth." (John 17:17, NIV) He rebuked two disciples for not believing God’s Word, "How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spokenAnd beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself." (Luke 24:25, 27, NIV) The Apostle Paul reminds us that the church of Jesus is to be "the pillar and foundation of the truth" (1 Timothy 3:15, NIV). Is your church a pillar and foundation of the truth? Tragically many churches have forsaken the Scriptures as their source of truth and have abandoned the faith by following deceiving spirits (1 Timothy 4:1, NIV). Unbelievably, in 2003, a professor at the Chicago Theological Seminary released a book declaring that Jesus was a homosexual. Churches that have embraced the sin of homosexuality in the name of tolerance and diversity are telling us that David and Jonathan, Ruth and Naomi and others in the Bible were homosexual. This is very tragic and reveals a deep deception. Please pray for your pastor that he will always follow the wisdom of Psalm 119:30, "I have chosen the way of truth; I have set my heart upon your laws." (NIV) The Bible is Clear: Homosexuality is Condemned An honest reading of Scripture will always lead one to acknowledge that homosexuality is a sin and is condemned by God. Before we look at the primary verses regarding the sin of homosexuality, read this shocking list of some of the words the Bible uses to describe this sin: a "grievous sin" (Genesis 18:20); a "wicked thing" (Genesis 19:7); "detestable" (Leviticus 18:22); one act of homosexuality meant "they must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads" (Leviticus 20:13); homosexuality is caused by "shameful lusts," is "unnatural," an "indecent act," and "perversion" (Romans 1:26-29); those who practice homosexuality will not "inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Corinthians 6:9-10). How any honest person could say that the Bible affirms or even allows homosexuality is beyond reason. The testimony of the Bible is simply overwhelming. Let’s look at the primary Scriptures that condemn homosexuality. Genesis 18-19: The Depravity and Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah "Then the LORD said, ’The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached meThen the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah - from the LORD out of the heavens." (Genesis 18:20-21; 19:24 NIV) Those who want us to accept homosexuality know they have to do something with God’s Holy Word. They try to revise the long-accepted understanding of the Bible. For example, revisionists (those who want to change the clear teaching of Scripture) tell us that the men of Sodom were guilty of inhospitality or homosexual rape, not simple homosexuality. But Bible scholar Matthew Henry tells us "It was the most unnatural and abominable wickedness that they now set upon, a sin that still bears their name, and is called SodomyIt was a punishment that answered to their sin. Burning lusts against nature were justly punished with this preternatural (beyond what is natural) burning. Those that went after strange flesh were destroyed by strange fire."[3] The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia informs us that Sodom was the "most notorious of the five cities of the valleySodom’s sins were manifoldarrogant pride and haughtinessprosperous luxury while ignoring the poor and needyviolated the code of hospitalitySodom’s most notorious sin was its engaging in homosexual acts. Jude 7 affirms that Sodom acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust." [4] The depravity and destruction of these cities was so momentous that God had numerous writers of Scripture recall this event as a severe warning (see Deuteronomy 29:23; Isaiah 1:9-10; Isaiah 3:9; Jeremiah 49:18; Amos 4:11; Matthew 10:15; Romans 9:29; 2 Peter 2:6; Jude 7) God’s attitude of burning wrath against the perversion of homosexuality is unmistakably clear from this story. Leviticus 18:22; 20:13: Homosexuality Forbidden and Detestable "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestableIf a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." (Leviticus 18:22; 20:13, NIV) The Hebrew word translated detestable means to be loathed, abhorred, to be vile, repulsive and rejected. God’s choice of words could not be clearer. Homosexuality is extremely offensive and repugnant to God, which explains why the severe penalty of death is imposed upon those committing this sin. FRC’s Timothy Dailey comments on Leviticus 20:13, "Homosexuality is classed with the most severe moral transgressions, which are considered capital offenses and incur the death penalty."[5] The proponents of homosexuality tell us that we either must apply all of the Old Testament law or we cannot claim that it has any place in our debates today. What they fail to understand is that Jesus did fulfill the ceremonial law (laws regarding the sacrifices and priestly rituals) when He laid down His innocent life upon the cross. He said He came to fulfill the law (Matthew 5:17). But, according to Dailey again, "By contrast, the New Testament speaks of no corresponding ’fulfillment’ or abrogation (setting aside) of the moral law." [6] This means that God’s moral law is still in force, that is, homosexuality is as repugnant to God and as under His judgment as it always was. This helps us understand why so many recoil at the thought of our government approving and protecting this sin. Interestingly, homosexuality is still a crime in 70 countries. Also, every major religion, with the possible exception of Buddhism, clearly condemns homosexuality. Deuteronomy 23:17:Homosexual Temple Prostitution Forbidden "No Israelite man or woman is to become a shrine prostitute." (Deuteronomy 23:17, NIV) The Kings James Version translates this verse as "There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel." The Hebrew word translated "prostitute" means one practicing sodomy and prostitution in religious rituals. God’s law was clear, as Matthew Henry tells us, "The land of Israel must be no shelter for the unclean; no whore, no Sodomite, must be suffered to live among them." [7] Timothy Dailey informs us that the "qadesh," (the Hebrew for shrine prostitute) were not only male prostitutes who engaged in homosexual acts with the male devotees of the temple, but they may have been transvestites (men who dress as women) as well.[8] Judges 19:Homosexual Lust Turned On Innocent Girl "While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, ’Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him.’ The owner of the house went outside and said to them, ’No, my friends, don’t be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don’t do this disgraceful thingBut the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night" (Judges 19:22-23, 25, NIV) The story of the tragic rape unto death of the Levite’s concubine reminds us of the lust-inflamed men of Sodom. In normal relations between a husband and wife, the wife tempers the strong sexual drive of her husband. When men release this drive toward each other, all restraint is lost and sexual lust inflames the passions. A Levite and his concubine (a female servant or mistress) were traveling home and ended up staying with an old man living in Gibeah. As in Sodom, homosexuals surrounded the house and demand sex with the old man’s visitor. The result was the rape and death of the Levite’s concubine. The words translated "wicked men" in Judges 19:22 are literally "sons of Belial." According to the meaning of the Hebrew, these were worthless men, totally given over to immorality. We read in 2 Corinthians 6:15 that "belial" has become a name for Satan himself. This helps us understand the unreasonable rage and inflamed perversion which so tragically grips those in the homosexual movement. This story teaches us, yet again, the vile and uncontrollable nature of homosexual lust. Romans 1:24-27:Homosexuality is Degrading, Unnatural Perversion "Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator - who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." (Romans 1:24-27, NIV) According to Dr. Robert Gagnon, this text is "the most substantial and explicit treatment of the issue in the BibleRomans 1:24-27 is also the most difficult text for proponents of homosexual behavior to overturn"[9] The truth is that these powerful words should instill fear into anyone contemplating a homosexual experience or already tragically involved in the lifestyle. The Apostle Paul makes clear that homosexual perversion is evidence that one is already under the judgment of God. In fact, this judgment includes the removal of God-provided restraints to human sexual desires. To persist in sin is to run the risk of being given over to it by God. Dr. Gagnon points out that Paul reveals three "exchanges" and three corresponding "giving-overs" by God, beginning in verse 23. Deceived men and women have exchanged (1) the glory of the immortal God for idols (v. 23), (2) the truth of God for (lit. "the") a lie (v. 25), and (3) natural sexual relations with members of the opposite sex for sexual perversion with members of the same-sex, (v. 26). Corresponding to these tragic decisions, God gives man over to (1) sinful desires for sexual impurity leading to the degrading of their bodies (v. 24), (2) shameful lusts leading to sex acts contrary to nature (v. 26), and (3) to depraved minds to do what ought not to be done (v. 28). Dr. Gagnon gives a very helpful diagram of these "exchanges" and "giving overs:" Stage 1: God’s invisible transcendence and majesty is visibly manifested in creation (1:19-20). Stage 2: Humans knowingly and thus foolishly "exchange" the true God for idols (1:21-23, recapitulated in 1:25 and 1:28a). Stage 3: God "gives over" humans to their desires/passions and to an "unfit mind" which aim at self-degrading and self-destructive forms of conduct (1:24, 26, 28). Stage 4: Many humans then dishonored themselves by "exchanging" natural intercourse for manifestly self-degrading and unnatural intercourse (1:26-27); all engaged in some form of "improper" and evil conduct (1:28-31). Stage 5: The self-degrading evil behavior to which God "gives-over" humans ends in the ultimate recompense of "death" (1:32). Dr. Gagnon tells us, "Quite appropriately, an absurd exchange of God for idols leads to an absurd exchange of heterosexual intercourse for homosexual intercourse. A dishonoring of God leads to a mutual dishonoring of selves. A failure to see fit to acknowledge God leads to an unfit mind and debased conduct." [10] The Apostle Paul is crystal clear; same-sex intercourse is sinful, shameful and is itself part of God’s sentence of judgment upon the guilty. What about those who want to be Christians and live a homosexual lifestyle? Our next text gives us the answer. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11:Homosexuals Will Not Inherit the Kingdom of God "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters not adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." (I Corinthians 6:9-11, NIV) The Apostle Paul, in his various letters, asks some questions that we might think are quite obvious. For example, "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?" Today, people are very reluctant to describe almost anything as "wicked." A pastor who now embraces universalism, the belief that in the end all will be saved and go to heaven, was asked if he thought Adolf Hitler, whose Nazis murdered over 6 million Jews during World War II, would go to heaven. He said yes. Talk to the average man on the street who doesn’t attend church, lives completely without regard to God and His Son Jesus, and he will, more than likely, assure you that he will go to heaven. Such is the natural, deceived condition of the human heart until the Holy Spirit convicts one of his sin and need of a Savior. Those who truly come to a saving, personal relationship with the Lord Jesus cannot continue to live in wickedness. Matthew Henry reminds us that "Men are very much inclined to flatter themselves that God is such a one as themselves, and that they may live in sin and yet die in Christ, may lead the life of the devil’s children and yet go heaven with the children of God."[11] According to this Scripture, homosexuality falls under the category of wickedness. Those who practice such behavior are deceiving themselves if they believe that a Holy God, who hates their sin and judges them guilty, will one day simply admit them into His kingdom. The Expositor’s Bible Commentary tells us regarding professing Christians who think this way, "they are in a dangerous frame of mind - they need to clear their heads and realize that if they act wickedly in this way, they are no better than the wicked idolaters and others who will not inherit heaven."[12] The Corinthians needed to be reminded that God had mercifully redeemed them from their former corruption. God had marvelously washed, justified and sanctified them. These are the absolute requirements for acceptance into God’s kingdom. Let’s look at some questions many are asking about the Bible and homosexuality. Important Questions You May Be Asking 1. Why didn’t Jesus address the issue of homosexuality? A favorite tactic of proponents of homosexuality is to hold up the apparent silence of Jesus on the issue as a counterargument to the numerous texts that clearly condemn it. Dr. Gagnon’s answer is forceful, "Why, then, did Jesus not make an explicit statement against homosexual conduct? The obvious answer is that Jesus did not encounter any openly homosexual people in his ministry and therefore had no need to call anyone to repentance for homosexual conduct. He also did not address other sexual issues such as incest and bestiality, but that hardly indicates a neutral or positive stance on such mattersJesus, both in what he says and what he fails to say, remains on the side of those who reject homosexual practice."[13] Jesus warned that sexual immorality (the Greek word is plural, porneiai) comes from within and makes people unclean (Mark 7:21, NIV). Dr. Gagnon comments, "No first-century Jew could have spoken of porneiai (plural) without having in mind the list of forbidden sexual offenses in Leviticus 18 and 20 (incest, adultery, same-sex intercourse, bestiality)."[14] Add to this the fact that Jesus affirmed the model for marriage and sexual union given us in Genesis 1-2 (see Matthew 19:3-6). He affirmed the Old Testament (never overturning any prohibitions against immoral sexual behavior in the Law of Moses) and even required more than just external obedience in His teachings, applying God’s standards to the heart of man (see Matthew 5:27-30). We should also remember that Jesus gave the Apostle Paul the revelation of the gospel that he preached (Galatians 1:11-12). 2. Since the biblical writers didn’t know about "sexual orientation," shouldn’t we interpret their writings on the sin of homosexuality as outdated and ignorant? Those who want to strip away the Bible’s clear condemnation of homosexuality like to say that the Bible writers only understood homosexuality as a perversion. They mean that those who are really attracted to the opposite sex and who then engage in homosexuality have perverted themselves. According to the proponents of homosexuality, these are the ones the Bible condemns, not those who are "born homosexual." In their minds, those who have a homosexual orientation are not perverting anything, just acting according to their inclination. But what does the Bible say? First, all of us are born with a sinful nature, inclined to sin. Before long, our selfish natures are clearly manifested for all to see (Romans 3:10-12). Even if one claims to come to the knowledge that they were "always homosexual," the fact remains that God judges all sin as worthy of eternal punishment. Every sinner, all of us, stands condemned before the justice of God, in need of the atoning blood of Jesus. The Bible still condemns homosexuality, regardless of the cause, and clearly states that those who live this lifestyle will not inherit God’s kingdom. God holds us accountable, regardless of whether or not we blame Him for "making us that way." Second, once you move beyond the fundamental question of the authority of Scripture and turn to imperfect man for research, you have elevated man’s faulty opinion above God’s revealed Word. Jesus did not do this and neither should we. Remember, "the findings of the human sciences are sometimes circular, sometimes ambiguous, and often in conflict."[15] 3. Weren’t some of the "good" people in the Bible homosexual, like David and Jonathan? To suggest that David and Jonathan were homosexuals is to pervert the noble ideal of true, biblical friendship. It is very sad to view everything in life through the lens of sexual perversion. Timothy Dailey reminds us, "To attempt to inject a sexual component into Jonathan and David’s relationship is morally wrong; the Hebrew texts are absent of any sexual meaning."[16] One should remember the special place the kisses of greeting and parting have in Middle Eastern culture. Neither Ruth and Naomi nor the Roman centurion and his slave are presented as homosexuals. Again, this is simply the perverted attempt by revisionists to rewrite the Bible to support their views. The Bible warns of these times, "For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." (2 Timothy 4:3-4, NIV) 4. Shouldn’t Christians love everyone and be tolerant? Christians should indeed love everyone. We should not, however, be tolerant of anything that God is not tolerant towards. We should never be tolerant of behavior that is condemned in Scripture or that is physically and socially destructive. Christians have the wonderful privilege to live as lights in the midst of a crooked and perverse world (Philippians 2:15, NKJ). Listen to these words of Jesus, "Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of foods sacrificed to idols. I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways." (Revelation 3:20-22, NIV) These words were spoken to the church at Thyatira and reveal the intense attitude of Jesus toward the tolerance of sin, in this case, sexual immorality. Our attitude must be like our Lord’s. Conclusion: Do Not Be Deceived Dear Christian friend, thank you for taking the time to read this simple pamphlet. Please do not be deceived: to embrace homosexual behavior you must reject Biblical truth. Do you really want to go down that path? Over the past several years, homosexual activists have set out to accomplish many evil goals. Among them are the removal of homosexuality from the medical category of a "mental disorder;" promoting the lie that people are born homosexual; adding homosexuality to civil rights and anti-discrimination laws and codes; passing hate crimes laws that provide harsh treatment for those who oppose this perversion; redefining marriage to include all kinds of immoral arrangements; targeting mainline Protestant churches for acceptance by crafting elaborate theologies and new interpretations of the Bible; demonizing all who refuse to accept their agenda, especially Bible believing Christians and pastors. Please read these statements from men who have studied this issue thoroughly and who bring a strong belief in the authority of Scripture to their writings: "Scripture clearly, pervasively, strongly, absolutely and counter culturally opposes all homosexual practice." [17] (Dr. Robert Gagnon, New Testament Professor, Pittsburgh Theological Seminary) "Rather than being a divine "gift" that needs to be celebrated, homosexuality is unambiguously found wanting by Scripture and tradition."[18] (Timothy Dailey, Senior Fellow, Center for Marriage and Family Studies at Family Research Council) "The bottom line is this: the Bible nowhere affirms, sanctions, endorses or approves of the practice of homosexualityNever does God authorize any practice or act of the gay lifestyle."[19] (Dr. Ronnie W. Floyd, Senior Pastor, First Baptist, Springdale, AK) For the church to remain silent on this most pressing issue, or worse, to surrender her belief in the authority of Scripture and become an accomplice to a lifestyle which destroys marriage, families, harms children and blinds to the need for salvation through Christ, is simply too fearful to contemplate. Will not the God Who calls us to be witnesses to the truth require an accounting if we suppress the truth by our silence? Yes, we are to love those bound in this lifestyle, but not at the expense of the truth, marriage, family or our religious freedoms. True love does not tolerate that which destroys. Love speaks the truth which can set the captives free. Jesus did and so must we.

  • gdhamf, 2012-10-26 04:43:14

    Ya know, this is all very educational and all but it does not answer the question, If you people insist on living in a theocracy then why are you in a country that was founded on that religious freedom you all seem to think is under attack? I know a lot of folks and a bunch of them are very religious but no one I have ever met be they spiritual or atheist has ever said that they would like to see an end to Christianity. The only people that ever even mention it are the fearful and less educated among us. No one is even asking that even 1 marriage be performed in a church or other institution of faith that does not want to perform it. There will never be a time when you will be forced to let anyone into your church that you do not want there, your membership is up to you and your church. SO STOP TELLING THE REST OF US THAT WE MUST BEND TO YOUR RELIGIUOS DOCTRIN. any questions?

  • , 2012-10-26 10:44:06

    Some people are really uninformed and ignorant not to see that Christianity is under attack here in this country, Were headed to be like canada where hate speech is a crime, and they call Christans convictions about what God ststes in the Bible hate speech! and a Pastor in any church can not even talk about moral issues in fear of being sent to prison or having law suits put up against them, Wake up and smell the coffee people. As it was in ancient Rome Christans are being persecuted because they stand by Biblical principles and choose to follow the true God. They rest of you all are just like Philidelphia lawyers , always trying to talk intelectual but there is no substance to what you say, only your own human personal beliefs! What a shame, mabe someday you may see the light!

  • Oh Jed said:, 2012-10-26 20:44:54

    If President Obama loses the election because of these clowns then they absofuckinlutely deserve whatever Mitt Romney has in store for them and their congregations.

  • Pastor Annette Grace, 2012-10-26 22:15:18

    Uninformed and ignorant? Really? Please! Because of the President’s belief or what he agrees with, does it really lead us Christians to choose a man, a Mormon, for president (Mitt Romney)? A man who lies repeatedly, is apart of a racist party and says anything that people want to hear, we should choose him? How do we know that he wont turn on the church? How do you know that he wont establish laws against the church? Yet, an honest man who lets people know what his plans and views are we turn our backs on him. He is not a pastor, a bishop, he is a politician. His views are that he cares about the rights of people... all people. In a democracy, all people have a right to their beliefs and we the people have the right to vote against a belief if we differ. What we don’t have the right to do is keep people from exercising their right to vote which is what the republicans have done while calling the president racial names, putting up pictures of hanging ropes and making death threats towards him. Is this what we want for our country? Or have we not seen this country for what it is worth because the churches here are non-profit? Have we forgotten how to pray? Listen we have not lost our voices...but I ask,where was the church when Madelyn O hare got prayer removed from schools? Do we really want a president who will take us back to the fifties, the years of Jim Crow? Most importantly where is our faith in Christ? Even Apostle Paul went after Christians on the road to Damascus!!!

  • gdhamf, 2012-10-26 23:16:09

    Hey Kevin, it also says that eating pork, and shellfish is a sin, so is wearing fabric consisting of more than one fiber and on and on it goes, I guess we can ALL meet in hell and continue this nut bag conversation.

  • Queen Kamara , 2012-10-26 23:22:47

    Thank you I’m a Believer In Jesus!, 2012-10-26 22:15:18 for your wonderful and thought-provoking comments.

  • Kenneth Barr, 2012-10-27 02:34:39

    I would remind who think we are a "Christian" country should read the US Constitution, Article VI, third paragraph, second clause, "but no religious Test shall ever be Required as a Qualification for an office or Public Trust under the United States."

  • gdhamf, 2012-10-27 03:02:06

    Thank you Red!! it is about time we got a reasonable quote.

  • , 2012-10-31 19:23:15

    Red, you say "Look for a new breed in the pulpit very soon, one that understands that God’s love is universal and unconditional." News Flash - They are already here! Does the love of God love that which He calls abomination? God clearly loves all people - and He hates evil behaviors, and He is the One Who determines what is evil; and He does so for the good of man, so humans can choose good and not evil. Homosexual behavior is clear unquestionale revealed abomination before God and is unacceptable behavior in His sight. Abomination is evil. God hates evil, not the person but the willing participation in the behavior. When we, any of us, persists in willful constant rejection of what God says is good and right for humans, we reject the universal and unconditional love of God. His love remains. Our participation in abominations against God cause us and, when our society permits its continuance, our society suffer the harmful consequences that God tries to spare us from. Whose way do we want for ourselves and society? Our own selfish and aimless ways of personal devastation, or God’s way that has personal and societial greatness as we follow Him? The worst societies communities are those whose behaviors are anti-God, which is willingly anti-His universal and unconditional love.

  • , 2012-10-31 20:02:50

    Did God ask you to speak for him or are you a self-appointed fool?

  • , 2012-10-31 20:39:42

    The only fool is you buddy for not listening to the Truth! What a fool!

  • Oh Jed said:, 2012-10-31 20:51:44

    Just because you hide your interest in men and choose to anonymously lurk around gay sites doesn’t make you any more deserving of your pretend god’s acceptance.

  • gdhamf, 2012-10-31 21:21:47

    If people want to be historicaly accurate it may be a good time to point out that temple scribes were generaly unichs, and were used (raped) whenever their betters had the urge, so they, understandably decided to say that GOD did not like that behavior and the "betters" would burn in hell for it. Do some research and get back to us, I for one will be right here waiting for you(it will be a long wait since you may want to learn how to actually read first and stop listening to the bible on tape and dictating thru dragon software).

  • , 2012-11-01 00:40:19

    Ohhhh ! This is a gay site, will no wonder I was beginning to think normal people were getting eviler, But now I understand and " I’m Outta here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Kenneth Barr, 2012-11-01 03:20:15

    gdhamf I’m not sure about the scribes but Romans used eunuchs in the manner you describe. It does make sense there was much the Jewish people of that name (post slavery in the desert) needed to re-learn about living in an ordered, civilized society. One of the most important was how to treat each other properly. As history teaches us, slavery dehumanizes in the most savage way. Unfortunately, that lesson wasn’t learned after the American Civil War, which led to another hundred years of sub-civilized traatment of African-Americans by Euro-Americans. Human society needs to get over this idea that some are lesser than others, we are all equal and all entitled to be treated with dignity and respect.

  • Kenneth Barr, 2012-11-01 03:22:02

    Once again, typo correction. Line 2 "...of that time..." Apologies.

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